Starting this thread to see how many people such as myself, feel that Susan Atkins-Whitehouse has been rehabilitated and deserves to be Paroled.

Is she and the rest of women behind bars political prisoner's at this point, unable to receive a fair hearing from the Californian Parole Boards because of politics and vigilante injustice?


Lets discuss,


Nightshade

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-cacdce/case_no-5:2007cv01202/case_id-396755/

Quote:

Susan Atkins v. Dawn Davison Petitioner: Susan Atkins Case Number: 5:2007cv01202 Filed: September 20, 2007 Court: California Central District Court Office: Eastern Division - Riverside Office [ Court Info ] County: Riverside Presiding Judge: A Howard Matz Referring Judge: Jennifer T. Lum Nature of Suit: Prisoner Petitions - General Cause: 28:2254 Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus (State) Jurisdiction: Federal Question Jury Demanded By: None

Hard to say... I don't think that there's any reason to believe that any of these women are any kind of danger to society. At this point it's only a matter of has justice been served, in other words have they paid high enough price. Susan Atkins would be the last one I'd let out personally, and it's because she doesn't inspire any kind of trust in me. She seems to be in to extremes, first Manson then god. And the christian logic - devil lured me in to doing it - is just plain dumb.

I wouldn't mind living next door to any of them, so in that sense it's fine with me if they get out. But I'm not sure if it's justice... that's a tougher question.

i think Leslie should have been let out years ago. i believe Patricia is truly sorry. i tend to believe Susan and Tex but i still have a funny feeling about them at times.
as to whether they have paid a high enough price, i dunno. not too many people serve 40 years for murder though.

Isn't Susan Atkins convicted of 6 murders? 5 in the Tate house and Hinman. Pat was in both Tate and LaBiancas, and wasn't Tex involved with the Shea murder on top of the previously mentioned. When you start dividing the years with the number of murders, it makes more sense. But I do agree that when it comes to rehabilitation I don't see any of them as danger to society. They're starting to hit the granny age anyway.

Somebody sent me the warden's response to Atkins' legal suit:

http://www.charliemanson.com/documents/atkins-habeas_corpus.htm

Note that she has eight counts of murder because she was also convicted for the LaBiancas. She didn't enter the house but was along with the murder crew and obviously knew what was going to take place since she's been involved the previous night.

They possibly could have gone after Grogan for the same murders. I assume they didn't because he wasn't involved at Cielo Drive. Thus, they had less proof that he knew what was going to take place.

I feel much as Terrapin, but even more strongly. Van Houten should have been released decades ago. It was around '88 ? that a judge ? thought that the parole board should give very serious consideration to paroling her.

Susan did not kill Gary Hinman. She stabbed no one at Sharon's house. Read the evidence for proof of this. She never killed anyone at Leno's.

She was in the car on the second night and was convicted of murder for this. But think about it. Grogan was in the car too, and he wasn't tried or convicted for the murders on the second night.

Why the double standard?

Tex killed Shorty and he wasn't tried and convicted on this murder either.

Another double stand here, you see?

Susan has been in longer than the other girls, Manson and Tex.

She served her time for being associated with them.

It's time to set her free and imprison a real killer.

I think they didn't go after Grogan on LaBianca because he wasn't involved the previous night. So, it would have been more difficult to prove he knew what was planned. Susan was exactly the opposite, though. She had been involved in Hinman and Tate, thus obviously knowing it would be brutal.

There were at least three involved in Shorty's murder who got away with it. I think that largely came down to a lack of testimony as to who got in the car with Shea.

The key to the long sentences perhaps isn't that it's Manson-related. It's quite possible it's due to being multiple murders on multiple days. Plus, it wasn't just some oxy addict trying to rob a gas station to get money for drugs. It was very pre-meditated.

How you know Tex killed Donald Shea ?

Who killed Shorty?

If you say Manson did, how do you know?

If you say Grogan did, how do you know?

And why is he free?

It just, the way you have it stated there "Tex killed Shorty and he wasn't tried and convicted on this murder either" as if he did it alone.

i remember reading a while ago the transcript of steve grogans parole hearing (i think on the tate-labianca blog website) and if i remember correctly, he admitted to stabbing shorty while someone else held him down (cant remember who) but he didnt deliver the fatal wound and didnt see who did.