Theres one version where it was Clem who hit Shea over the head, and Tex stabbed him.

Do I recall correctly that Frykowski had different wounds in his legs? If so, those would likely have been when he was struggling to get out of the house and were inflicted by Atkins. And this would likely coincide with her losing her knife. For what it's worth, she did go in search of another knife which shows she had intent to stab somebody.

From the police reports posted on this website, the evidence is Susan stabbed no one.

She lost her knife. The police found it and it was not responsible for any wounds. She stabbed a chair, not his legs. That was her testimony and the police report confirmed it after the autopsies were completed. She stated under oath that she never never stabbed a human being in her life, and she wasn't lying.

What she said prior to tesifying or in letters doesn't mean it really happened.

The police report indicates only one knife was responsible for all wounds, and Tex has repeatedly admitting to the killings. He may've handed one of the girls his knife for them to stab the victims with, but there is no evidence of this.

William later stated that he actually looked out the window of the guesthouse and saw Abby being chased down by Pat with her knife in the air, but his statement is not believable since he never said this originally. He passed a lie detector test on August 10, too. Even if he were true, he was never admitted as evidence and cannot be taken in consideration.

Susan was at the scene though, (if we believe they were the real killers) and she held people down, or whatever, so she deserved to do some hard time. And she has. Thirty-nine years four months so far. That's enough. She should go free. She is not a threat to anyone. She wants nothing to do with Manson, so clearly the justice system has done it's job.

...."if we believe they were the real killers"......your obviously wayyy out in left field Casey.....

So much of this story has been filled with lies and fabrications that I'm not 100% certain they were the killers. Lots of people admit to crimes they never committed. This is not new. Maybe they were paid to take the rap and now the people who made the deal with them are no longer there to get them out as promised.

Why would Susan, all of a sudden, without even being asked, start telling a total stranger in jail that she and the others were the killers when Susan and the others didn't even trust the entire family enough to tell them they did the killings?

Why would Susan write a letter and sign it admitting to the killings and more or less assuring she gets the death penalty?

Why would they are be laughing and staging various antics during the trial when they were facing death?

Who doctored the crime scene pictures?

How was Manson allowed to violate his parole without being arrested prior to the murders?

Why did the killings stop after two nights when the murders didn't start the race war?

Clarify that thing about doctored crime scene photos.

There is no doubt in my mind that Mrs Atkins-Whitehouse did do the crime for which she was convicted (as well as the others of “The Family.”)

Yet the trial was anything of the sort. It wasn’t a triall but a media circus. Given the victims being of “Hollywood” the trial should have never taken place in L.A. There should have been a change of venue and each of co defendants should have been tried separately.

Not one of the Manson girls received proper lawyers. They received over worked over taxed public advocates. While the Prosecutors had teams and teams of lawyers working on their behalf along with the biased media the time to protray these defendants as cooled blooded killers and not the victims they were!

Yes Victims.

Mrs Atkins along with the rest of them were indeed victims! Victims of mind control induced by Charles Manson: They were members of a “Cult”. They were kept that way by way of manipulation, intimidation, sexual/physical/emotional abuse and the extensive mind controlled state by way of LSD and other psychoactive substances all condoned by and Charle and this second in commands.

If there had not been such a lynch mob mentality in L.A at the time. If Miss Atkins and the others had received a fair trail with capable lawyers (instead of over burdened ones). Then we might have received a fair and just trial instead of the farse it became and still remains.

FACT:
The standard time served before parole in this country is 7-12 years for first degree murder. That’s it folks 7-12 years.

Mrs Whitehouse-Atkins has been in her cell for 37 years. For a crime she committed while under the FULL control of cult leader. For a crime she committed when she 19. Yes Susan Atkins took part in a horrific crime (yet by today’s standards of what takes place in our streets it is rather minor.) Susan has completely reformed herself (with no thanks to the prison system), remains a model prisoner for several decades, gives her time to save youth from same mistakes she did. Every person that has encountered her from prison guards themselves to people from the outside say the same thing if anyone deserves Parole its Susan Atkins.

The only ones that don’t seem to be Debra Tate who now makes her profession (and income) being the professional victim for media.


Justice is not being served by keeping Mrs Whitehouse-Atkins in prison. Its not Justice its mob justice.


Nightshade

Susan Atkins then:




Susan Atkins Whitehouse today:





Completely different people folks. Susan Whitehouse is no longer the Susan Atkins that fell victim to Charlie his cult.

Think about this. How would you feel if society judged you the remainder of your life on a stupid stupid mistake you committed as a teenager? Mrs Whitehouses mistake was falling victim to a cult leader and she is to remain in prison for the rest of her life for that mistake?? Shall we print it on her tombstone stone as well?

No justice is not being served keeping this woman or the rest of "Charlies Girls" in jail.


Nightshade

Nightshade, Susna has been in prison for 39 years, not 37. She was 21 (I think) not 19 when she involved.

The Manson member who killed two people in Stockton was sentenced to a mere 14 years. He probably served a lot less time than that. In any event, he killed two people has has been free now for decades. Susna and Leslie killed no one.

Bobby killed one person, a drug dealer, and he's served 39 years as well. Bobby has been in the longest. No one gets out before Bobby does.

Becareful with the pics you might be relying on. Many were doctored and many alleged crime scene photos used online are either completely bogus or taken from the movie, helter skelter.

The first pic you use for Susan might be from the movie, I'm not sure. The second pic is a real one, but, today, Susan looks even better than that one. She's even better looking today than Debra Tate.

Of course Susan may be inconsistent with the details of the night of the murder. It doesn't automatically make her a liar.

The 'family' their drug of choose was LSD acid. The inital "trip" can last from 12-72 hours (depending on grade of it) with residue side effects for the following month (in some cases "Flash backs" as they are called may last a life time!)

We are told by ex Family that they were doing LSD like candy and that it was the drug of choice.

Note too they attempted to induce silence Barbara Hoyt with a 11 tab LSD poisioning.

The psychological exams all show that Tex Watson, Susan Atkins and the rest showed extensive drug (LSD abuse) induced psychological effects at the time of their imprisonment.

Even if they did not take acid (LSD) the night of the murders they were ALREADY severally damaged by the effects, their mental composites diminished. They didn't know right from wrong, (by this time Charlie had become the voice of god to them, some god PIMP/PUSHER/CONVICT.) Plus the psychological tests on all of the co defendants that Susan and the rest all suffer from low self esteem issues consistent with abuse (meaning they can be easily manipulated).)

Susan Atkins may very well not remember in detail what happened that night for which she was convicted she was in drug induced insanity for years before and months after. By all logical accounts and evidence (not brought out in trail Geee I wonder why) Susan and the rest were INSANE at the time of the crimes, Not guilty by reason of insanity.

Just look at the antics in the courtroom! Your on trial for your LIFE you can get the Death Penalty and put into the gas chamber! Would you be jumping around like that even if you did murder someone no of course not! Not if you were sane, straight or sober.


Nightshade

sizey wrote:

While in retrospect there is a fair amount of evidence to suggest the opposite, equally, one cannot dismiss the fact that Susan herself provided most of the damning information (especially concerning the Tate night) that convicted her. Additionally, her parole hearings have been heavily inconsistent over the years. If there was some semblance of a chance of parole, the board would have to be looking for consistency-which in her case has been sorely absent. One person who I'd be eager to hear who exactly killed Sharon Tate would be Patricia K. Has she ever commented on that issue? The evidence suggests she has been silent - and has never been pressed on it either, Si

The person that really got away with murder was Linda Louise Kasabian. She literally was there the night of the murders. She drove them to the sites and waited outside as look out. By her own account she stood outside of the Tate home and watched as Fologer ran out of the house screaming and chased down. Later she was one to ditch their blood soaked clothing and plant the wallet in the toilet.

She was just as much apart of the murders as those convicted yet Linda gets off SCOTT free after cutting a deal prosecutors. Supposedly portrayed as the “conscience” that night and sweet innocent girl by prosecutors so that the jury would buy what she had to say.

Talk about injustice to Sharon Tate and the rest. Clearly the Prosecutor were more interested in winning ANY case then seeing justice was served.

Btw according to accounts Kasabian and her son have had several run ins with the law since the trials and currently lives in the Mid-West.



Nightshade